"And so I wasn't doing it for any kind of quick satisfaction or any kind of recognition. I just didn't expect it. And so it's been great to have that, but I think that it was, it was in my favor, that I really was just, like, I just want to write and I think that if you can remember that about where that desire first came from, and kind of persevere through, it's not easy, then you get breaks here and there, and it feels good. You know, there are other reasons to be doing it besides recognition."